Pheasant shooting

[Pat g]

I'm definitely with pat on this one, one other thing that hasn't been picked up on is the fallacy that these "slow flying" driven birds are easy to bring down I've shot English sporting clays at a regional and national level for a number of years until about 5 years ago and if there is one area of shooting that I found a real challenge it was driven game, if anyone on here is claiming that driven pheasants aren't a real sporting challenge then they either haven't been on a driven day or it was a very poorly presented one

Yes another valid point James and again further proves that the OP has'nt any real experience of game shooting at all and yet condemns it on an open forum without presenting the true facts. Posts and attitudes like this made me and other members pack this forum up for a while with many not returning sadly If the intention of tt was to get a reaction then he's certainly done that but at what cost???? Result because he's got the backs up of several long standing and respected members. Talk about driving people away Had tt put the very same post on other shooting forums i wonder what the reaction would have been? I have a very good idea
ATB,
Pat

[Timmytree]

Pat, I appreciate your point of view, we're all entitled to one, but there will always be differences.
No I haven't shot pheasants although I've had the opportunity. I don't deny that there are well run shoots but there are others that aren't run well and they let the side down.
As for poaching, taking pheasants that are away from the shoot when you have permission from the landowner is not poaching in my book, nor in that of my farmer who sees them as pests, well paying pests but still pests.
As in every other sport there are areas that are well run and respected ruined by examples that don't put any participant in a good light.
Maybe KJ would like to put in his pennorth?
Regards
Tim

[Pat g]

Pat, I appreciate your point of view, we're all entitled to one, but there will always be differences.
No I haven't shot pheasants although I've had the opportunity. I don't deny that there are well run shoots but there are others that aren't run well and they let the side down.
As for poaching, taking pheasants that are away from the shoot when you have permission from the landowner is not poaching in my book, nor in that of my farmer who sees them as pests, well paying pests but still pests.
As in every other sport there are areas that are well run and respected ruined by examples that don't put any participant in a good light.
Maybe KJ would like to put in his pennorth?
Regards
Tim

Now then Tim that is a reply i, and i'm sure other members can accept. You have finally admitted that not all game shoots are the same. Of course there are game shoots that are well run and others that are not. But in all honesty Tim your original post was very one sided almost to the point of tarring all game shoots and those that participate in them with the same brush.
Like i have said this is an open forum and is perused by all and sundry. To anyone who knows no other your original post paints game shooting in a bad light and could be very damaging to the future of it without highlighting the true facts and the bonuses it brings to conservation and the interests of the countryside. I have no desire at all to fall out with you Tim, that was, and never will be my intention. As i have said previously i appreciate that you are a respected member of this forum and have been for many years. I for one have and do enjoy reading many of your posts. But i refuse to stand back and read posts written by people who have no experience of game shooting slanging it off in public particularly when it is a hobby that i and many others have a passion for and enjoy.
Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions but lets at least give a balanced opinion so that someone can make an unbiased decision as to whether or not the are "for or against" in a particular subject.
Can we lay this post to rest Tim and finally shake on it please
ATB,
Pat

[Timmytree]

Pat, I appreciate your point of view, we're all entitled to one, but there will always be differences.
No I haven't shot pheasants although I've had the opportunity. I don't deny that there are well run shoots but there are others that aren't run well and they let the side down.
As for poaching, taking pheasants that are away from the shoot when you have permission from the landowner is not poaching in my book, nor in that of my farmer who sees them as pests, well paying pests but still pests.
As in every other sport there are areas that are well run and respected ruined by examples that don't put any participant in a good light.
Maybe KJ would like to put in his pennorth?
Regards
Tim

Now then Tim that is a reply i, and i'm sure other members can accept. You have finally admitted that not all game shoots are the same. Of course there are game shoots that are well run and others that are not. But in all honesty Tim your original post was very one sided almost to the point of tarring all game shoots and those that participate in them with the same brush.
Like i have said this is an open forum and is perused by all and sundry. To anyone who knows no other your original post paints game shooting in a bad light and could be very damaging to the future of it without highlighting the true facts and the bonuses it brings to conservation and the interests of the countryside. I have no desire at all to fall out with you Tim, that was, and never will be my intention. As i have said previously i appreciate that you are a respected member of this forum and have been for many years. I for one have and do enjoy reading many of your posts. But i refuse to stand back and read posts written by people who have no experience of game shooting slanging it off in public particularly when it is a hobby that i and many others have a passion for and enjoy.
Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions but lets at least give a balanced opinion so that someone can make an unbiased decision as to whether or not the are "for or against" in a particular subject.
Can we lay this post to rest Tim and finally shake on it please
ATB,
Pat

Of course, my initial post was a bit over the top which I admit readily, I maintain that some points are valid and therefore the more these things get debated by us, the shooters, the more acceptable things will become to the general public. My views are purely that of someone who has beaten for and been around a shoot that has caused no end of bad feeling locally. For those decently run shoots who get tarred with the same brush I apologise. Time to bury this one I think.
Thanks Pat.
Regards
Tim

[Pat g]

Apology accepted Tim . If as you say this shoot local to you has caused no end of bad feeling within the community then they should hang their heads in shame. A poor advert for shooting in general i have to say
Agree time to bury this topic Tim Cheers
ATB,
Pat

[eboswan]

So glad that you've cuddled and made up

[Kev Todd]

Just to add.....

I'm willing to bet there are far worse offenders out there using air rifles, shooting everything that they see..... Be it vermin or the neighbours cat! Than there are poorly managed shoots.

......I do not back down so easily!

[Timmytree]

Just to add.....

I'm willing to bet there are far worse offenders out there using air rifles, shooting everything that they see..... Be it vermin or the neighbours cat! Than there are poorly managed shoots.

......I do not back down so easily!

Well I have put my point of view Kev and to a point I agree with you but airgunners shooting vermin is surely what they're ideal for?
Cats are something different and I can't argue with that, any more than you could argue that gamekeepers caught killing buzzards isn't wrong?
Perhaps all sides of the shooting community need to look carefully at the image they portray not just to the public but more importantly to their local communities? I'll condemn bad behaviour from any quarter when it puts us in a bad light and like you said it's usually airguns because they are unlicenced and uncontrolled that hit the news, however the percentage of reports compared to the number of airguns is miniscule. Vicars are more likely to be criminals on percentage terms.
I have admitted some parts of my original post are contentious but I have witnessed shooting and behaviour that is not acceptable and doesn't help the shooting community, better it gets discussed on here than make it to the gutter press and get blown out of all proportion.
Time for a beer!
Regards
Tim

[Kev Todd]

You don't like being tarred with the same brush as some Scrote who shoots the local swans for a laugh do you? Because that's what all air rifle owners do isn't it...... Or am I wrong....... Could that just be some moron acting on his own accord?


Well, funnily enough neither do I or any of the respectable gentlemen whom I have shot with over the last few seasons. We do far more for the community and conservation than anyone else I know.


TT......... How much do you do for the community and for conservation while your out doing so called pest control?

[Timmytree]

You don't like being tarred with the same brush as some Scrote who shoots the local swans for a laugh do you? Because that's what all air rifle owners do isn't it...... Or am I wrong....... Could that just be some moron acting on his own accord?


Well, funnily enough neither do I or any of the respectable gentlemen whom I have shot with over the last few seasons. We do far more for the community and conservation than anyone else I know.


TT......... How much do you do for the community and for conservation while your out doing so called pest control?

No I don't like being tarred with the same brush, no one does, maybe that's a good reason to ask questions?
As for community, I am in neighbourhood watch, I spend evenings checking isolated properties for people who are on holiday or in hospital.
I collect for a local foodbank and provide transport out of my own pocket. I join volunteer parties on the Levels sanctuaries, litter picking parties and help to clear footpaths. Encourage youngsters to shoot at the school where I work and offer my time for nothing.
Conservation for me is protecting that which is vital to our community and history, not just the animals and birds that happen to be there.
True conservation would mean removing all introduced species in favour of native flora and fauna.