Air Arms Owners Club

When I bought my s410, I bought a BSA scope with a side winder wheel, (me not knowing any thing about scopes ) which I couldn't use because of the mag, then I was told to cut out a section of it, which I did, but found I couldn't use it because it was hitting the mag, to solve this, I placed the w/wheel not fully into position which worked although have not tried it out at the club yet, anyone else had this problem, and how did you solve it.,

Unless you are using the scope for FT range finding then personally I would not bother with a wheel as such, outside of e.g. specialised FT scopes they are more of a fashion accessory than a practicle addition. Companies like Rowan Engineering make levers which might work given that I assume you are only likely to be adjusting between e.g. 10 & 40 yards. and you can position the fitting accordingly to not encroach on the mag.

Sake-san wrote:Unless you are using the scope for FT range finding then personally I would not bother with a wheel as such, outside of e.g. specialised FT scopes they are more of a fashion accessory than a practicle addition. Companies like Rowan Engineering make levers which might work given that I assume you are only likely to be adjusting between e.g. 10 & 40 yards. and you can position the fitting accordingly to not encroach on the mag.

Hi Sake-san

Thank you for getting back to me, yes I want to use it for competition shooting, range from 10 to 50yds not sure if its up to 55yds, I've only done the two and its all new to me.

oedbachgen

in FT you generally have a single loading rifle as you are not allowed to walk from lane to lane with a loaded rifle or a magazine in position. If you use riser blocks as having the scope very high has advantages on the longer range shots, by reducing the amount of clicks between ranges at the longer distances.this setup may help with your problem. my scope height is 3 inch from bore to center line.
Gary.

gary martin wrote:in FT you generally have a single loading rifle as you are not allowed to walk from lane to lane with a loaded rifle or a magazine in position. If you use riser blocks as having the scope very high has advantages on the longer range shots, by reducing the amount of clicks between ranges at the longer distances.this setup may help with your problem. my scope height is 3 inch from bore to center line.
Gary.

Hi Gary

I'm using a s410, so after two target shots, I have to cock take off mag, then put left hand on bolt, then press trigger easing bolt forward to make safe, I have ordered a single shot adaptor from Rowan Engineering, I'm now, I was told the closer the scope was to the rifle the better it was, mine you it might be the reason why I've only done two comp shoots, and in both of them I've hit 13 out of 40 targets , after saying this though, I'm still only learning.

Dave

oedbachgen wrote:

gary martin wrote:in FT you generally have a single loading rifle as you are not allowed to walk from lane to lane with a loaded rifle or a magazine in position. If you use riser blocks as having the scope very high has advantages on the longer range shots, by reducing the amount of clicks between ranges at the longer distances.this setup may help with your problem. my scope height is 3 inch from bore to center line.
Gary.

Hi Gary

I'm using a s410, so after two target shots, I have to cock take off mag, then put left hand on bolt, then press trigger easing bolt forward to make safe, I have ordered a single shot adaptor from Rowan Engineering, I'm now, I was told the closer the scope was to the rifle the better it was, mine you it might be the reason why I've only done two comp shoots, and in both of them I've hit 13 out of 40 targets , after saying this though, I'm still only learning.

Dave

I don't do ft but i can remove the mag from my s410f TDR without cocking the gun, just dont pull the bolt all the way back.
This also indexes the mag half way thus when you remove the mag the next pellet don't drop out.
I also thought the closer the scope is to the barrel the better.
daz

Have a look also at AJP Engineering who make riser rails that will elevate the position of your scope and thus also the side wheel.
They make them with cut-outs for specific guns to aid access to the loading port, also with built in moa adjustment to compensate for barrel droop thus avoiding the need for shimming / adjustable mounts.

darran77 wrote:

oedbachgen wrote:

gary martin wrote:in FT you generally have a single loading rifle as you are not allowed to walk from lane to lane with a loaded rifle or a magazine in position. If you use riser blocks as having the scope very high has advantages on the longer range shots, by reducing the amount of clicks between ranges at the longer distances.this setup may help with your problem. my scope height is 3 inch from bore to center line.
Gary.

Hi Gary

I'm using a s410, so after two target shots, I have to cock take off mag, then put left hand on bolt, then press trigger easing bolt forward to make safe, I have ordered a single shot adaptor from Rowan Engineering, I'm now, I was told the closer the scope was to the rifle the better it was, mine you it might be the reason why I've only done two comp shoots, and in both of them I've hit 13 out of 40 targets , after saying this though, I'm still only learning.

Dave

I don't do ft but i can remove the mag from my s410f TDR without cocking the gun, just dont pull the bolt all the way back.
This also indexes the mag half way thus when you remove the mag the next pellet don't drop out.
I also thought the closer the scope is to the barrel the better.
daz

Hi Gary

Your right about loosing pellets, will have to try your way of removing the mag, for making safe at my club, but Like I've said, I have ordered a single shot adaptor for comp shooting.

Regards.
Dave

Sake-san wrote:Have a look also at AJP Engineering who make riser rails that will elevate the position of your scope and thus also the side wheel.
They make them with cut-outs for specific guns to aid access to the loading port, also with built in moa adjustment to compensate for barrel droop thus avoiding the need for shimming / adjustable mounts.

Hi Sake-san

Did try out the wheel I'd cut at the club this morn, then took it off, but what I've been doing, instead of re-zeroing for each distance, I only been using it for focusing, then using mill dots for distance, like I said, this is all a learning curve for me, thank you for all your kind help.

Dave

oedbachgen wrote:

gary martin wrote:in FT you generally have a single loading rifle as you are not allowed to walk from lane to lane with a loaded rifle or a magazine in position. If you use riser blocks as having the scope very high has advantages on the longer range shots, by reducing the amount of clicks between ranges at the longer distances.this setup may help with your problem. my scope height is 3 inch from bore to center line.
Gary.

Hi Gary

I'm using a s410, so after two target shots, I have to cock take off mag, then put left hand on bolt, then press trigger easing bolt forward to make safe, I have ordered a single shot adaptor from Rowan Engineering, I'm now, I was told the closer the scope was to the rifle the better it was, mine you it might be the reason why I've only done two comp shoots, and in both of them I've hit 13 out of 40 targets , after saying this though, I'm still only learning.

Dave

in FT the reason we have the scope very high is the effect the setup has on the longer range targets. there are more longer targets than short ones.In FT we use DOPE Data of previous engagement, or using the turret so you always have a zero no hold over or under. if the scope is high, it reduces the amount of clicks between the longer ranges 50 yards plus. if you misrange a target by around 2 yards, you may just get a hit high or low in the kill zone. of course having the scope high increases the amount of clicks at very short distances 10 yards etc, but not many targets at these ranges so not so important.
Gary.