chrono test

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Hairybiker59
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Re: chrono test

Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:19 pm

Mark112 wrote:Hi

.... and here goes. This:-

HB_S410Carbine.jpg


.... is a plot of your power curve. Depends on how you quantify the 'sweet spot' but using a 1.5% rule (12fps as shown between the orange lines on the graph) would mean you only have 23 shots. Using a 20fps figure gives 40 shots.

Comapare that to my own S410 Classic:-

S410Classic.jpg


..... giving 63 shots within 1.5% and 87 shots within 20fps (if it were a carbine I would expect those figures to be 47 and 65 shots respectively). The following is my shooting buddies S400 Classic:-

S400Classic.jpg


.... which as you can see has a curve very much like my own one and gives a very similar figures of 64 shots (1.5%) and 88 shots within 20fps. Your curve looks very different. As I hinted in my previous text one of my own rifles had this type of curve and it was fixed by replacing the firing valve, pot spring and hammer spring. I may not have needed to change the springs but did it anyway as they are only a few quid from bgaltd on this site. A chap calling himself cloverleaf has done some research into deformation of the exhaust valve and you may want to search for "valve extrusion" on airgunforum.co.uk (sorry if this breaches any conduct rules moderators) as I think you may have this problem. I had a technical thread on the previous version of the airarmsownersclub which showed the before and after effets of replacing these parts. Sadly that info was lost when the site changed hands. Parts are relatively cheap and pretty simple to fit (you already have 75% stripped your own rifle).

Hope this is of some use to you and yes I know it is a bit geeky.

Mark

So by changing the springs you mention your certain I could get a power curve similar to yours

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Re: chrono test

Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:07 pm

I think it was more likely the valve itself (read cloverleafs bit). I only changed the springs as it meant that all of the rifles internals were 'as new'. Oddly enough accuracy improved massively also but I am not sure why exactly.

Mark.
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Re: chrono test

Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:08 pm

Mark112 wrote:I think it was more likely the valve itself (read cloverleafs bit). I only changed the springs as it meant that all of the rifles internals were 'as new'. Oddly enough accuracy improved massively also but I am not sure why exactly.

Mark.

I think I might just change the valve has I would say it's unlikely for the pot spring and hammer spring to fail

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Re: chrono test

Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:29 pm

Got to be worth a go. Julian (bgaltd on this site) has them for about £10 plus postage. You get 10% discount for being a member of this site :D
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Re: chrono test

Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:44 pm

Ive been playing around with my s400, and finally fitted a reg, what a dufference, no sweet spot just shot away

Chris
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Re: chrono test

Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:44 pm

32:1 wrote:Ive been playing around with my s400, and finally fitted a reg, what a dufference, no sweet spot just shot away

Chris

Hi,

Which reg and how many shots etc? How was it to set up if you did it yourself? Have you done a full shotstring and if so can you post it up?

Question, questions, questions :D

Mark
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Re: chrono test

Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:04 pm

Hi, it is a Lane reg and simple even for me to fit. First time Ive taken a pcp apart and the only sweat I had was drilling the tube .....

I did a full string before and right after, then I set about tweaking it, as I started to understand whats going on, not that I actually know !

Anyhow, after a few parts from Julian I tweaked away and have done another full string, and have ended up with a nice result, although I'm now eager to work on a two piece hammer, no other reason than to try.... I have done quite a few 10shot strings while working out stuff, and Ive ended up getting a 1fps average over 10shots on say every other or third attempt and when not it 2 or 3 fps

I have a short iPhone video but cant upload it but can email it, and to finalise I did a full chrono to see how many shots and used an old tin of AAF 4.51's as they don't shoot well in this, and got 120ish shots but had no real curve until 95bar when it began to drop

download/file.php?id=262

I'm sure I will better this with the Falcons that I normally use

Cheers

Chris
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Re: chrono test

Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:08 pm

As you say a new or different load of pellets may well even out the graph. Encouraging results though.

Did you have to do much tuning or were Roberts instructions pretty good?

Mark
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Re: chrono test

Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:25 pm

32:1 wrote:......I did a full chrono to see how many shots and used an old tin of AAF 4.51's as they don't shoot well in this, and got 120ish shots but had no real curve until 95bar when it began to drop

download/file.php?id=262
Nice one Chris :)
I'm seriously thinking of getting a Lane regulator for my S410.
I only get about 30 consistent shots from a fill, your 120 shots look amazing :)
John
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Re: chrono test

Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:20 pm

Mark112 wrote:As you say a new or different load of pellets may well even out the graph. Encouraging results though.

Did you have to do much tuning or were Roberts instructions pretty good?

Mark


Yea his instructions are clear and its simple to fit, I seriously knew a few shots were duff as I remember pushing into tin to grab hold of the buggers, I do have a iphone vid of a ten shot string giving just 1fps ave but cant load it
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